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Royalty and nobility are one of the most common conceits of epic fantasy. Almost every fantasy novel takes place in a world comprised of a series of kingdoms, or similarly structured alternatives. Epic plotlines usually follow the royalty or at least high nobility of one or more of these kingdoms. This applies doubly when the protagonist is a commoner; gaining access to the higher echelons of society is part of their reward.

When I tried to think about fantasy novels (excluding contemporary, and even those have their vampire kings and fairy queens) that defy this convention, I thought first of A Wizard of Earthsea. I may be misremembering, since I read it in translation years ago, but I don't recall Ged or any of the other major characters being noble. A few other books came to mind, where characters sometimes deal with nobility but don't wind up discovered as the long-lost heirs to something, or receiving a noble title, or anything.

I can't think of many fantasies that don't take place in a royal hierarchy, though. For some people, the crowns and swords and other medieval trappings are a major part of fantasy's charm, but it's still a pretty diverse genre. Do people think non-monarchic systems are too much of a divergence for fantasy, or does it just not occur to them that there are other options? Like the title says: If dragons -- then monarchy?

Date: 2010-04-08 11:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] manifesta
political intrigue fantasy is pretty much a response to epic fantasy

As a side note, I've been thinking about this dichotomy and never connected the dots that way. This makes quite a bit of sense.

Date: 2010-04-09 09:06 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] scifisentai
Well, religion is a thorny and divisive concept anyway, so maybe writers are trying to avoid screwing up on a colossal scale by Getting It Wrong.

Maybe also lack of familiarity? Generic kingdoms and so on are familiar to a lot of people, but if you're not familiar with how a senate would work then the time it would take to research how they operate and so on might be more than the writer is willing to take on, especially if you're not sure how your potential audience is going to react to it.

Date: 2010-04-09 09:32 am (UTC)
scifisentai: faiz, takumi and yuji coming to terms (Default)
From: [personal profile] scifisentai
True. But, playing Devil's Advocate here, as you've noted already the same concepts show up again and again, albeit in slightly different forms. That's what sells, so people write more of it and so on. It's self-perpetuating.

And hah, our parliament's a mess anyway. >.> It's probably the last structure you want to model a political system off.

Date: 2010-04-09 10:25 am (UTC)
scifisentai: faiz, takumi and yuji coming to terms (jian ning)
From: [personal profile] scifisentai
Hah, true. Neat leaves no room for conflict and pushing plot forward.

Date: 2011-05-25 03:08 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] krait
Doesn't the same apply to generic kingdoms, though?

I don't actually have to do research on the various ranks, with their associated privileges, titles, and holdings, of the (frex) pre-Napoleon French Monarchy in order to write a fantasy novel set in a feudalistic world.

Off the top of my head I can invent a Golden King who reigns in the Kingdom of Szama; directly beneath him are 14 nobles of the next-to-kingship highest rank called Amyri; below the Amyri are the 124 Umri, who can hold property but not pass it on to an heir. Each Amyri is allowed 14 karysti, an armed vassal; each Umri may have 4 um-karysti. Only the Amryi are automatically included in the king's council; Umri must be individually selected by the king for councilorship, and on occasion a karysti who distinguishes him/herself extra-valiantly may be selected as well.

None of this is based on anything in real life except the utter basics of "there is a hierarchy with a king on top". I'm pretty sure no nation on Earth had non-gender-specific knight-analogues who could become a king's councilor?

For that matter, I could write the history of Britain, replace all the proper nouns with made-up ones, and then split the genders evenly... and it'd be enough to qualify my book as both "fantasy" and "making things up".

There are as many ways to "make it up as you go along" in a feudal system as there are in a democrat/republican system.

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